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ileliberte ([personal profile] ileliberte) wrote2011-01-06 03:41 pm
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Trek Reversebang 2011? Poll!


It's about that time of year again. I'm not sure what people's thoughts are about a new round of the Trek Reversebang challenge, so before [livejournal.com profile] zippitgood and I launch into a huge production, here's a poll to gauge interest (the timeline will be similar):


[Poll #1665028]

ETA: Slight misstep on the "I want to participate" option, there's no maybe option. To get around that, since these are not official signups, so even if you're just sort of considering signing up but aren't really sure, please fill out the "I would like to" option so we at least know how many people might consider it.


Important links:
[livejournal.com profile] trekreversebang | FAQs for last year | Masterlist 2010

ETA: Please link this around if you can. Thanks!
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[identity profile] boosette.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
The claiming bothered me as well -- it was a free-for-all, which resulted in a lot of split-second decision-making on the claims, and I for one wound up claiming an artwork which I was ultimately unable to write for because of the first-come-first-serve basis of the claims. I also dislike the one-author-per-artist policy, because it limits the total number of authors who can participate and fandom collectively has a larger number of authors than it does artists.

So, I'd like to see first-come-first-served get chucked out the window in favor of something like: every artist who submits a finished work will receive at least one story. Once every artist has been claimed, any author can write for any artwork. (So ... some artists may receive more than one story. No one receives less than one story.)

This takes away the favoritism for people in the comm admins' timezone, as well as evening the playing field for people who for whatever reason (school, work, health, deployment, other travel, whatever) cannot be around when claims go live.

[identity profile] zippitgood.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
Valid points all especially in regards to claiming and the time zone favoritism.

I have a concern about the multiple authors per artists. I know in the last round some artists found it a bit difficult to juggle multiple authors when they submitted multiple art pieces and if we did implement what you're suggesting that problem would only increase. Do you have any suggestions on how we'd overcome that?
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[personal profile] velvetmouse 2011-01-07 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Do you think there would be a problem with having multiple stories for the same piece of art? That way the artist would only be committed to one piece, but multiple authors could have completely different takes on that one piece. I think that might be kind of fun, actually. *shrug*

[identity profile] zippitgood.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
Aside from not every artist getting the same number of additional stories, some artists might want it to be more of a collaborative process and wouldn't want to juggle multiple authors writing different ideas.
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[identity profile] boosette.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Allow artists who don't want/don't have the personal resources to juggle multiple authors to opt out at the beginning and/or limit the number of authors they're willing to take on is first to my mind.

[identity profile] zippitgood.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, that could very much work. We'll think it over.

[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
I am a little confused. I might just be misreading it, but we did allow multiple authors per artist since there were more authors than artists. The reason why we did not allow double claims straight off the bat was so that every artist could have at least one author first. As for the first-come-first-served thing, I agree, it can be unfair. But what would you suggest as an alternative? Do you mean that we would be assigning artist to authors? Because otherwise, there isn't necessarily any guarantee that all artists would get claimed since multiple authors could want one piece while another piece could get overlooked completely if it was just general unlimited claiming. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to understand what you mean so please do elaborate, we're totally open to all suggestions.
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[identity profile] boosette.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
You didn't make it clear that you would allow multiple authors once every artist had been claimed from the beginning. Allowing multiple authors (once all artists are guaranteed one story) eliminates the issue of first-come, because it only requires that the authors be patient for the first round of claiming to pass before they can sign up for the art that they want/are able to write for.

So, with less rambling, my suggestion is: Authors sign up to write for an artwork. Once every artist has had at least one author sign up for each piece of art submitted, any author be allowed to write for any artwork.

This needs to be clear from the beginning.

The presentation of the claiming as it was, with multiple claims allowed presumably* as an afterthought, much more stressful than it had to be. (In my own experience, I skipped class to be at the computer when claims went live. Claims post shows up on my friends list: 0 comments. Load the post; search through the art, pick ≈15 or so that I really like. Scroll down to the comments [there are now many comments]. All of the art I had picked out was already claimed -- I may have shed a single literary tear of "Oh Fuck NOW What Do I Do?" And that was with being in the idea timezone. I finally wound up picking the art I did on a basis of Oh Thank God No One Has Claimed It Yet -- and wound up defaulting (with notice given). [So did the artist, IIRC.])

*to the best of my recollection; if it wasn't an afterthought, I apologize; I don't remember much of the last year.
Edited 2011-01-07 05:21 (UTC)

[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see what you mean. No, you're right, we hadn't made that very clear. It all got a little jumbled up there. We'll be much clearer about it this time, thanks for bringing it up :)

[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com 2011-01-09 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Hey there, we just received an email from your gmail address on the Reversebang email account. The url looked suspect, was it something you needed us to see or did your account get hacked?
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[identity profile] boosette.livejournal.com 2011-01-09 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Account got hacked; I'm working on resetting all my passwords now.

[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com 2011-01-09 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for clarifying, and hope it didn't do too much damage :(

[identity profile] yalegirl03.livejournal.com 2011-01-07 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I second this option. I found that artwork I really was inspired by was snapped up really fast. If we allow authors to write for any artwork after each artist has at least one author, that would eliminate the problem.

[identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com 2011-01-15 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, we're going to emphasize that multiple claims are allowed, so that it's still going to have to be a "everything needs to be picked up" at first, but people can pick up another piece once everything's been claimed.